Shiva worship in ancient Arabia
Shiva worship in ancient Arabia
By Muzaffar Hussain
CULTURAL affinity is stronger than even national unity. Because any chunk of land comes alive only when culture infuses life into it. Two hostile nations can be brought back to amity only when the cultural bonds between them are activated. This was the thread Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee picked up to revive the pre-partition cultural bonds between the two scions of the Akhand Bharat. He, therefore, chose artistes and poets to accompany him on his occidental odyssey in quest of amity with Pakistan, because only the cultural appeal could touch the right chord. Thus the sympathetic resonance alone can be expected to replace the chronic mutual distrust with mutual trust and friendship. The style of prayer or the method of worship can always be shorter in life than a nation. Therefore, the particular way of living that has evolved on a particular stretch of land is recorded in the history of that land. This history concretizes that country's heritage, and that country preserves this heritage and bases its plans for future development on this legacy.
Pakistan may have declared itself an Islamic State. But it cannot shed its ancient heritage dating back to the Mohenjo Daro and Harappa civilization. And its most famous national hero can only be the great grammarian Panini. The fanatic religious madness called Taliban may attempt to destroy every vestige of pre-Islamic Civilization, but it cannot deny the historical reality of Afghanistan's ancient religions of Vedic or Parsi fire-worship. In spite of Iran's embracing Islam, Cyrus, Sohrab and Rostam are even today hailed as Iranian icons. Gandhar (modern Kandhar) cannot disown Gandhari and the Mahabharat. Iran may observe the most militant form of Islam, but when the question of their ethnic origin arises, the Iranians proudly claim their Aryan descent.
Kafvinak Zikramin Ulumin tab aseru
Kaluvan Amatatul hava a lazakkuru
Na tazasveroha udan elelavada-a lilavra
Valuka ene zatallahe aum tab aseru
Va aha lolaha Azah aramian Mahadev
Manozel ilamuddine Minahum va savatt aru
That means :
"Can the person, who indulged in bad deeds and lustful and angry activities, be granted salvation if he repents, atones for and proposes to embrace dharma and follow righteous path?
If he worships Lord Mahadev with true devotion he can attain the highest position in spiritual attainments."
The name of Mahadev is mentioned in the Arabic original exactly as it is pronounced in Sanskrit or other Indian languages.
Umer bin Hashsham further says, "Oh Lord! Grant me a day's stay in India in exchange for my entire life, because by reaching there a man attains salvation."
Va sahabe ke vam fim kamil Hinde you man
Yakulun na lajaha jan fainnak tavajjaru
Another poet is cited in this same book on p. 257 who says,
Aya mubarekal araz vashaive nohaminar Hinde
Va adarakkallah majye vashaiye nazzale zikaratun
The means :-
"Oh holy land India, you are great
Because God has made you to spread His Wisdom."
The above lines are enough to show what sentiments the Arabs entertained regarding Lord Shiva and India. Lord Shiva was held as God of knowledge, and India the land of knowledge and both were respected for their benign influence.
"Hind" is the name Arabs gave to India. They considered India almost like paradise and so they endearingly called their beloved daughters "Hindus" (intention was the daughters were heavenly fairies). They borrowed the figures "0 to 9" from Indian mathematicians. They called the numerals "Hindsa". Arab traders were impressed with the mouth-watering taste of Indian "tamarind". The English word itself has been a corruption of Arabic—"tamar-i-Hind" which means the "fruit of India" in Arabic. The Arabs' trade with India has been going on from ancient ages. Those guides who guided Vasco-da-Gama, the Portuguese explorer who found a new route to India in early sixteenth century, were the same Arab traders. The noted archaeologist, Shri Wakankar, has described this extensively in his book.
So what if Shiva worshipped by Arabians?
Muslim views EVERTHING that existed before Islam (and Muhammad) as "evil" and even called pre-Islamic period as Zaman Jihilliah (which, if not mistaken, means Age of Ignorance).
So, by stating that Lord Shiva is worshipped in Arab before Islam come about, you can expect insults from Muslims who will claim that the social conditions were in such bad conditions because of worshipping of Lord Shiva.
When I was in another forum, I opened a thread and asked them if is it possible for Muhammad to go to Iran/Iraq or even Afghan and meet Hindus or Buddhist there, and then, bring back what he learn and developed it into what today known as Islam.
Answer I get - Islam is NOT similar to anything existed before. It is brand new, unrelated religion, dropped down to their (Muslims') laps by God.
Also, some less fanatic ones will claim that there were other prophets (like Buddha and maybe Sri Krishna) before Muhammad BUT ALL their teachings are IRRELEVANT and CORRUPTED.
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This is in response to barney's post regarding the above topic.
Hi:
Your post is very interesting. Could you please provide the references to the book that you mention in your post?
Also, what language are these verses in, and what is the original source where they are contained? Where can a reference be found for these?
>Kafvinak Zikramin Ulumin tab aseru
>Kaluvan Amatatul hava a lazakkuru
>Na tazasveroha udan elelavada-a lilavra
>Valuka ene zatallahe aum tab aseru
>Va aha lolaha Azah aramian Mahadev
>Manozel ilamuddine Minahum va savatt aru
Thank you very much.
- Pedro
Shiva is everywhere
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Lord Shiva has so many names in sanskrit..Mohammed is on of it..is it true?
Look at the following Shlokas from the Atharvaveda..........
" Inda jana up shrut narashans ratvishyate !!
Shashthi sehstra navanti cha coram aa rushmeshu !
Dehmhi !! ushtra yasya pravahini vadhumanto !!
Dwardash ! vershma rathasyani jihindate diw irshmana !!
Upsparsha: !! ev RISHYE MAMAHE shanta nishkan !!
Dash sraja: troni shatanyavatan sehstra dash gonam !! "
-- [Ahtharva Veda, Kanda-20,sukta-127, mantras 1-3 ]
" O people, listen this emphatically ! The man of praise
[Mohammad] will be raised among the people. We take the emigrant in our shelter from sixty thousand and ninety enimies- whose conveyances are twenty camels and she-camels, whose loftiness of position touches the heaven and lowers it. He gave to " MAMAHE RISHI " hundreds of gold
coins, ten circles, three hundred Arab horses and ten thousand cows. "
2.
Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in Hindu books but not as Lord Shiva.
Have a look...
The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text of the Puranas, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the 'Panchgavya' and the Ganges water, (i.e. purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, 'I make obeisance to thee.' 'O Ye! the pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).' ‘O Ye! the image of the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.'
“The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in that country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed [note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who attacked Mecca]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known Mahamad (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja! You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of ‘Ashwar Parmatma (God, Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters. My follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. Because of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation."
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Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia - Parts 1 - 8 - by Aditi Chaturvedi
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia1.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia2.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia3.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia4.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia5.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia6.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia7.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia8.html
Shiva worship in ancient Arabia
By Muzaffar Hussain
CULTURAL affinity is stronger than even national unity. Because any chunk of land comes alive only when culture infuses life into it. Two hostile nations can be brought back to amity only when the cultural bonds between them are activated. This was the thread Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee picked up to revive the pre-partition cultural bonds between the two scions of the Akhand Bharat. He, therefore, chose artistes and poets to accompany him on his occidental odyssey in quest of amity with Pakistan, because only the cultural appeal could touch the right chord. Thus the sympathetic resonance alone can be expected to replace the chronic mutual distrust with mutual trust and friendship. The style of prayer or the method of worship can always be shorter in life than a nation. Therefore, the particular way of living that has evolved on a particular stretch of land is recorded in the history of that land. This history concretizes that country's heritage, and that country preserves this heritage and bases its plans for future development on this legacy.
Pakistan may have declared itself an Islamic State. But it cannot shed its ancient heritage dating back to the Mohenjo Daro and Harappa civilization. And its most famous national hero can only be the great grammarian Panini. The fanatic religious madness called Taliban may attempt to destroy every vestige of pre-Islamic Civilization, but it cannot deny the historical reality of Afghanistan's ancient religions of Vedic or Parsi fire-worship. In spite of Iran's embracing Islam, Cyrus, Sohrab and Rostam are even today hailed as Iranian icons. Gandhar (modern Kandhar) cannot disown Gandhari and the Mahabharat. Iran may observe the most militant form of Islam, but when the question of their ethnic origin arises, the Iranians proudly claim their Aryan descent.
Kafvinak Zikramin Ulumin tab aseru
Kaluvan Amatatul hava a lazakkuru
Na tazasveroha udan elelavada-a lilavra
Valuka ene zatallahe aum tab aseru
Va aha lolaha Azah aramian Mahadev
Manozel ilamuddine Minahum va savatt aru
That means :
"Can the person, who indulged in bad deeds and lustful and angry activities, be granted salvation if he repents, atones for and proposes to embrace dharma and follow righteous path?
If he worships Lord Mahadev with true devotion he can attain the highest position in spiritual attainments."
The name of Mahadev is mentioned in the Arabic original exactly as it is pronounced in Sanskrit or other Indian languages.
Umer bin Hashsham further says, "Oh Lord! Grant me a day's stay in India in exchange for my entire life, because by reaching there a man attains salvation."
Va sahabe ke vam fim kamil Hinde you man
Yakulun na lajaha jan fainnak tavajjaru
Another poet is cited in this same book on p. 257 who says,
Aya mubarekal araz vashaive nohaminar Hinde
Va adarakkallah majye vashaiye nazzale zikaratun
The means :-
"Oh holy land India, you are great
Because God has made you to spread His Wisdom."
The above lines are enough to show what sentiments the Arabs entertained regarding Lord Shiva and India. Lord Shiva was held as God of knowledge, and India the land of knowledge and both were respected for their benign influence.
"Hind" is the name Arabs gave to India. They considered India almost like paradise and so they endearingly called their beloved daughters "Hindus" (intention was the daughters were heavenly fairies). They borrowed the figures "0 to 9" from Indian mathematicians. They called the numerals "Hindsa". Arab traders were impressed with the mouth-watering taste of Indian "tamarind". The English word itself has been a corruption of Arabic—"tamar-i-Hind" which means the "fruit of India" in Arabic. The Arabs' trade with India has been going on from ancient ages. Those guides who guided Vasco-da-Gama, the Portuguese explorer who found a new route to India in early sixteenth century, were the same Arab traders. The noted archaeologist, Shri Wakankar, has described this extensively in his book.
So what if Shiva worshipped by Arabians?
Muslim views EVERTHING that existed before Islam (and Muhammad) as "evil" and even called pre-Islamic period as Zaman Jihilliah (which, if not mistaken, means Age of Ignorance).
So, by stating that Lord Shiva is worshipped in Arab before Islam come about, you can expect insults from Muslims who will claim that the social conditions were in such bad conditions because of worshipping of Lord Shiva.
When I was in another forum, I opened a thread and asked them if is it possible for Muhammad to go to Iran/Iraq or even Afghan and meet Hindus or Buddhist there, and then, bring back what he learn and developed it into what today known as Islam.
Answer I get - Islam is NOT similar to anything existed before. It is brand new, unrelated religion, dropped down to their (Muslims') laps by God.
Also, some less fanatic ones will claim that there were other prophets (like Buddha and maybe Sri Krishna) before Muhammad BUT ALL their teachings are IRRELEVANT and CORRUPTED.
===================================
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07-05-2005, 12:22 AM #3
guest
Default Re: Shiva worship in ancient Arabia
This is in response to barney's post regarding the above topic.
Hi:
Your post is very interesting. Could you please provide the references to the book that you mention in your post?
Also, what language are these verses in, and what is the original source where they are contained? Where can a reference be found for these?
>Kafvinak Zikramin Ulumin tab aseru
>Kaluvan Amatatul hava a lazakkuru
>Na tazasveroha udan elelavada-a lilavra
>Valuka ene zatallahe aum tab aseru
>Va aha lolaha Azah aramian Mahadev
>Manozel ilamuddine Minahum va savatt aru
Thank you very much.
- Pedro
Shiva is everywhere
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Lord Shiva has so many names in sanskrit..Mohammed is on of it..is it true?
Look at the following Shlokas from the Atharvaveda..........
" Inda jana up shrut narashans ratvishyate !!
Shashthi sehstra navanti cha coram aa rushmeshu !
Dehmhi !! ushtra yasya pravahini vadhumanto !!
Dwardash ! vershma rathasyani jihindate diw irshmana !!
Upsparsha: !! ev RISHYE MAMAHE shanta nishkan !!
Dash sraja: troni shatanyavatan sehstra dash gonam !! "
-- [Ahtharva Veda, Kanda-20,sukta-127, mantras 1-3 ]
" O people, listen this emphatically ! The man of praise
[Mohammad] will be raised among the people. We take the emigrant in our shelter from sixty thousand and ninety enimies- whose conveyances are twenty camels and she-camels, whose loftiness of position touches the heaven and lowers it. He gave to " MAMAHE RISHI " hundreds of gold
coins, ten circles, three hundred Arab horses and ten thousand cows. "
2.
Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in Hindu books but not as Lord Shiva.
Have a look...
The translation of Verses 5-27 (Sanskrit text of the Puranas, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3) is presented below from the work of Dr. Vidyarthi.
“A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the 'Panchgavya' and the Ganges water, (i.e. purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, 'I make obeisance to thee.' 'O Ye! the pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).' ‘O Ye! the image of the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.'
“The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in that country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed [note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who attacked Mecca]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known Mahamad (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja! You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of ‘Ashwar Parmatma (God, Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters. My follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. Because of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation."
Source(s):
MUSLIM
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/photogr..._influence.htm
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Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia - Parts 1 - 8 - by Aditi Chaturvedi
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia1.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia2.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia3.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia4.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia5.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia6.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia7.html
http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoft...i/vpopia8.html
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